(In The Life Of The Church)
An Interview With Peter
UBC the Magazine recently got to interview St. Peter. We talked with him about Paul, Easter traditions, and other odd facts.
UBCtM: Hey, Peter, thanks for your time.
Peter: You bet, thanks for having me.
UBCtM: You’ve been head of the church for almost 2,000 years now. Does that ever get tiring, and what advice do you have for pastors, priests, and other spiritual leaders concerned about longevity?
Peter: The job itself doesn’t get tiring, but the I-met-St.-Peter-at-the-pearly-gates jokes get old. I also think I’m depicted a little bit unfairly in a lot of Western art. The advice I would give is this: make sure you have good people around you that you can be honest with about how life is going. Mary-Mag, James, and I have a weekly meeting at Drink of This Cup. That’s a safe space for me to share the ways I feel fragile.
UBCtM: Are those your best friends?
Peter: Well, Jesus is everyone’s best friend in heaven, but that goes without saying. So if you are interested to know if those are are my second best friends? Yes. I like Job, but he can be a downer sometimes. John is fun to be around too. He’s imaginative, but sometimes he’ll slip back into apocalyptic language when he talks about current events. People get confused by that, but I love the Christian Halloween costumes that come out of his writings.
UBCtM: “Christian Halloween Costumes.” Did you mean harvest festival costumes?
Peter: My bad. Yes.
UBCtM: Let’s talk about Paul for a second. The last I read about you two in Galatians, things seemed to be on thin ice. Is stuff better now?
Peter: Paul and I get along great now. He was right to confront me on my stuff back then. I think sometimes people forget the magnitude of the shift that was happening in the first century. We were all Jews who were able to see Jesus in the Hebrew Scriptures, but we still considered ourselves Jewish. That in and of itself was a radical shift and a leap of faith, but as Paul and others developed an inclusive vision of gentiles, it felt like essential elements of Jewish faith were being negotiated in the name of inclusion and relevance. Like, imagine if there was a second incarnation of Jesus and this Jesus claimed to be the person the New Testament Scriptures were always talking about. And then this Jesus proceeded to reinterpret the meaning of eschatological texts that predicted his return. That’d be trippy, right?
UBCtM: Gosh-darn-tootin‘ right it would.
Peter: So you are part of this revolution, but then this guy who, BTW, was murdering Christians last week says we can throw out baptism and justification by faith through grace alone so the new converts don’t feel excluded. So, yeah, I was a little apprehensive. And when my Jewish brothers came around, I left the gentile table. We all have our Robert the Bruce moments.
UBCtM: Robert the Bruce?
Peter: Yeah, man, Braveheart. I love that movie.
UBCtM: Paul has been a darling of the church in the West since the Reformation, and before, but especially since then. Now he seems to have fallen out of favor with pockets of the church. How is that processed in heaven?
Peter: Interestingly, I think Paul has been misunderstood both then and now.
UBCtM: How so?
Peter: To the Reformers, I say that the New Perspective on Paul has some valid criticisms. Luther’s interpretation didn’t account first-century Judaism for what it was. As a result, I think Luther over- (or under-, depending on how you look at it) interpreted “works of righteousness.” Consequently, we’ve made a mess of it and pitted James against Paul. A careful reading finds consonance between grace and work.. To modern detractors I say, yes, it’s true that Paul didn’t cast a theological vision for slavery and women that seemed to match the hermeneutical trajectory of the Jesus movement, but keep in mind the guy was doing theology for a massive theological movement that was understaffed and decentralized--without Facebook and Twitter. Do you know how many letters he wrote that got lost by carrier pigeons and wizard owls? You’re lucky we got seven undisputed letters in the Bible. That’s to say nothing about the fact that Paul thought the apocalyptic era of his day was going to wrap up at any moment.
UBCtM: Speaking of undisputed letters, who wrote Hebrews?
Peter: Jason the Gentile.
UBCtM: Shut up!
Peter: I’m just messing with you, man. No one knows but the Father . . . and the author, which I happen to know because she told me.
UBCtM: She! You serious?
Peter: Yeah, why else wouldn’t someone take credit for that book? It’s a masterpiece.
UBCtM: So people in heaven don’t know?
Peter: Tough to say, but there are rumors.
UBCtM: Why doesn’t God set the record straight?
Petere: People don’t realize God has a playful side. Once you’re delivered and saved and aren’t causing problems, you are able to experience a whole new side of God. God loves keeping us guessing. It’s like the whole heretic Easter egg hunt.
UBCtM: Do say more.
Peter: Every year on Easter, God sets up an Easter egg hunt. Most of the eggs are filled with the fruits of the Spirit, but God alway hides one golden egg. That golden egg has a heretic in it. So every year we get to see one more heretic here and learn how wide, deep, and long the love of Christ is. People go crazy for it. The banquet table is off the hook that day.
UBCtM: Don’t people see the heretic before the reveal?
Peter: It’s too hard to explain. In heaven there’s logical sequence but no time. So it’s an all-at-once thing. Also, remember that God gives everyone a new name when they get here. Between that and glorified bodies, they are unrecognizable. God just tells the heretics to keep quiet about who they were until the big reveal.
UBCtM: Who are some of your favorite people in heaven?
Peter: Aside from Jesus?
Peter: Oscar Romero, Intan, and St. Perpetua.
UBCtM: Okay, I know Romero and Perpetua, but I don’t recall Intan from church history.
Peter: You wouldn’t. He’s a little boy that died in the 2004 tsunami in Indonesia.
UBCtM: Obviously I’m intrigued. Say more.
Peter: Yeah, so when stuff like that happens, it feels chaotic around here. Not because God’s not in control, but because even here in heaven we retain a sense of agency. God still lets us serve by giving us jobs. So as you can imagine, the welcome center is immediately overloaded and the party planning committee has way more than they can handle. So I volunteer in the welcome center. I met Intan that day. Intan is a sweet boy, which feels odd to speak about now because he’s being perfect and transcending age like the rest of us here in heaven, but his presence is helpful for my formation, so I like being around him.
Peter: Well, the only one of us who can be perfectly and appropriately present to every emotion at once is Trinity. So God can always respond to prayer perfectly. For the rest of us, it’s just so hard not to get overwhelmed by joy all the time. My memories of pain are in constant danger of being extinguished by the presence of Christ. Of all the shoddy attempts at understanding heaven by human authors, I think I like C.S. Lewis’s “further up, further in” chapter best. It at least rightly alludes to the fact that heaven is ever expanding our capacity for joy in the life of God. Sometimes when I’m with Jesus, I’ll ask to stare at his scars as a meditation practice. It helps me mourn for the world. Otherwise I feel phony doing it because it’s perfect here. Intan is a gift in the same way. He reminds me of the anguish of those who are still waiting for all of this. But even then I just get so excited for them when I think about the moment heaven will come to them in death.
UBCtM: Interesting stuff. You’ve given us a lot to think about. Thanks for your time, Pete. We hope you’ll do this again.
Peter: Sure thing.
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